Comments on: Energy Descent Action Plan (EDAP) Primer http://www.eatthesuburbs.org Creative adaptations to peak oil and climate change Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:38:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Sustainabilty and Global Issues - August 2006 « King Valley Watchdog http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-38233 Sustainabilty and Global Issues - August 2006 « King Valley Watchdog Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:33:10 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-38233 [...] 23.Aug.06: An Energy Descent Action Plan (EDAP) is a local plan for dealing with Peak Oil. It goes well beyond issues of energy supply, to look at across-the-board creative adaptations in the realms of health, education, economy and much more. … more [...] […] 23.Aug.06: An Energy Descent Action Plan (EDAP) is a local plan for dealing with Peak Oil. It goes well beyond issues of energy supply, to look at across-the-board creative adaptations in the realms of health, education, economy and much more. … more […]

]]> By: Transition Towns and Energy Descent « The Fourth Wave http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-33602 Transition Towns and Energy Descent « The Fourth Wave Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:48:30 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-33602 [...] EDAP Primer (www.eatthesuburbs.org) [...] […] EDAP Primer (www.eatthesuburbs.org) […]

]]> By: Andrea http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-31470 Andrea Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:12:46 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-31470 Great plan, but not something that can just happen. it would take years, plus, I doubt the industry would let it happen. the mtransition would probibly fail due to people just not willing to make the sacrafice. it's a great plan though. also, to who the guy who said there should be a one child policy, do you really think that is the answer? I think that any goverment telling us how many children we can have is offensive and wrong. Anyone who would suggest something like that has no respect for human life. Great plan, but not something that can just happen.
it would take years, plus, I doubt the industry would let it happen. the mtransition would probibly fail due to people just not willing to make the sacrafice. it’s a great plan though.
also, to who the guy who said there should be a one child policy, do you really think that is the answer? I think that any goverment telling us how many children we can have is offensive and wrong. Anyone who would suggest something like that has no respect for human life.

]]> By: Exista viata si dupa petrol! « A pocket full of Clemsonite http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-26288 Exista viata si dupa petrol! « A pocket full of Clemsonite Sat, 31 May 2008 11:03:27 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-26288 [...] mentionata: pregatirea pentru o societate mai putin avida de energie intr-un cadru comunitar. Cititi aici. De mentionat faptul ca acest plan a inceput sa fie aplicat in cateva zeci de localitati de pe [...] […] mentionata: pregatirea pentru o societate mai putin avida de energie intr-un cadru comunitar. Cititi aici. De mentionat faptul ca acest plan a inceput sa fie aplicat in cateva zeci de localitati de pe […]

]]> By: Peter Driscoll http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-21722 Peter Driscoll Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:16:50 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-21722 Hi Adam and all, What a lucky 'find' to discover your site. Love the name! A few Sydney people who have been corresponding with Ben Brangwyn in UK (TransitionTowns) have recently made contact and committed to starting a transitions effort here in Sydney - only 2 weeks old and we're on a steep learning curve. Great to find your excellent site - well done. We'll learn a lot from it and you and hopefully be able to contribute our experiences as we get into the nitty-gritty of doing it. Great to see a post here from Dean Driscoll (great name Dean!) in the Blue Mountains..we'll learn from you guys as well I'm sure. You have a very active permaculture community up there. Keep up the good work Peter Hi Adam and all,

What a lucky ‘find’ to discover your site. Love the name! A few Sydney people who have been corresponding with Ben Brangwyn in UK (TransitionTowns) have recently made contact and committed to starting a transitions effort here in Sydney - only 2 weeks old and we’re on a steep learning curve. Great to find your excellent site - well done. We’ll learn a lot from it and you and hopefully be able to contribute our experiences as we get into the nitty-gritty of doing it. Great to see a post here from Dean Driscoll (great name Dean!) in the Blue Mountains..we’ll learn from you guys as well I’m sure. You have a very active permaculture community up there.
Keep up the good work

Peter

]]> By: Zone5 » Monbiot on Population http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-14546 Zone5 » Monbiot on Population Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:41:51 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-14546 [...] discussion of an Energy Descent Plan, for example, MUST in my opinion include an analysis of Population- not just the total number of [...] […] discussion of an Energy Descent Plan, for example, MUST in my opinion include an analysis of Population- not just the total number of […]

]]> By: Dean Driscoll http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-11643 Dean Driscoll Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:25:06 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-11643 I have been switched on to the transition town concept by my local Get Up group. I have been aware of Holmgren's and Trainer's concept but did not know that examples were actually happening. Locally we intend to make this our biggest issue to tackle. The 7 year drought we have been going through across much of Australia has produced a paradigm shift, especially in the last 4 years. From local councils not allowing water tanks to making it mandatory for new constructions, we have had a big shift. Energy descent can only be viewed in this positive way. Energy descent is exciting! Blue Mountains NSW Australia I have been switched on to the transition town concept by my local Get Up group. I have been aware of Holmgren’s and Trainer’s concept but did not know that examples were actually happening. Locally we intend to make this our biggest issue to tackle.

The 7 year drought we have been going through across much of Australia has produced a paradigm shift, especially in the last 4 years. From local councils not allowing water tanks to making it mandatory for new constructions, we have had a big shift. Energy descent can only be viewed in this positive way.

Energy descent is exciting!

Blue Mountains NSW Australia

]]> By: adam http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-11255 adam Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:34:37 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-11255 Thanks Bart, I've fixed that link. :) Thanks Bart, I’ve fixed that link. :)

]]> By: Bart Weller http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-11245 Bart Weller Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:20:00 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-11245 Hi, The link for the Transitions Towns Primer (pdf document: http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/) does not seem to be working. I tried it with two different browsers. I would like to down load it because of interest in our local economic relocalization group in Colorado. Thanks Bart Weller Hi,

The link for the Transitions Towns Primer (pdf document: http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/) does not seem to be working. I tried it with two different browsers. I would like to down load it because of interest in our local economic relocalization group in Colorado.

Thanks
Bart Weller

]]> By: Eric Praetzel http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-8661 Eric Praetzel Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:25:03 +0000 http://www.eatthesuburbs.org/edap-primer/#comment-8661 Regarding the farm. Yea - meat producers have that issue - the big plants have driven all of the small butchers out of business because of the health issues dealing with thousands of animals per day being slaughtered by people paid minimal wages under horrible working conditions ... well the side effects of that get thrust onto the small butcher who finds themselves unable to meet regulations. One size does not fit all! That being said I'm mostly vegan and I believe that diary and meat production is pretty well an environmental, health and ethical disaster. The planet is over burdened and we need to stop feeding 14lb of grain to a cow to get 1lb of meat out. I suggest reading Better Off by Eric Brende. It's a great look at choices; and what sense does it make for a farmer to massively indebt themselves buying equipment to farm hundreds of acres or many quarters in the hopes of making a profit? Isn't it easier to just farm less land with cheap simple equipment and not have a massive debt but do the farming sustainably? That's why you'll never see the Amish and other "minimites" go out of business - they don't rack up lots of debt and the grow what they need and a bit more. We can see what works - look at China, look at India - look at what they have to do to feed massive numbers of people - very small farms. It's labour intensive; but what's wrong with growing food for people? Do we all need to demand jobs that tax our minds, keep us commuting hours a day and totally isolated from the outside world - cloistered in cars and buildings? Greed is the first step to the dark side. The desire for more profits, more money to buy more toys. Does that fulfill the soul? Does that bring happiness? We need a one child policy for the first world. We need a world with less people; one that cares about leaving the planet better than we found it - about leaving something for our kids - something other than polluted air, water and soil. Regarding the farm. Yea - meat producers have that issue - the big plants have driven all of the small butchers out of business because of the health issues dealing with thousands of animals per day being slaughtered by people paid minimal wages under horrible working conditions … well the side effects of that get thrust onto the small butcher who finds themselves unable to meet regulations.
One size does not fit all!

That being said I’m mostly vegan and I believe that diary and meat production is pretty well an environmental, health and ethical disaster. The planet is over burdened and we need to stop feeding 14lb of grain to a cow to get 1lb of meat out.

I suggest reading Better Off by Eric Brende. It’s a great look at choices; and what sense does it make for a farmer to massively indebt themselves buying equipment to farm hundreds of acres or many quarters in the hopes of making a profit? Isn’t it easier to just farm less land with cheap simple equipment and not have a massive debt but do the farming sustainably? That’s why you’ll never see the Amish and other “minimites” go out of business - they don’t rack up lots of debt and the grow what they need and a bit more.

We can see what works - look at China, look at India - look at what they have to do to feed massive numbers of people - very small farms. It’s labour intensive; but what’s wrong with growing food for people? Do we all need to demand jobs that tax our minds, keep us commuting hours a day and totally isolated from the outside world - cloistered in cars and buildings?

Greed is the first step to the dark side.
The desire for more profits, more money to buy more toys.
Does that fulfill the soul? Does that bring happiness?

We need a one child policy for the first world. We need a world with less people; one that cares about leaving the planet better than we found it - about leaving something for our kids - something other than polluted air, water and soil.

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